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CNN
Oct 6, 2012 12:00am PDT
an unacceptable situation. i think the president will concede that. >> jack welch has said today unbelievable job numbers, he tweeted. the chicago guys will do anything, can't debate so they change the numbers. is there any merit to the argument that these numbers aren't quite what they seem? >> i would be very cautious about saying that, piers, unless i had some kind of substantialation to it and of course, we don't want to sound like sour grapes over what is good news for america. somebody would have to show me the facts and then i would be glad to make the argument. >> do you think that either of these things, in the last 24 hours, barack obama's very lackluster, surprisingly poor debate performance, or these job numbers today, do either of them constitute in any form a kind of game change moment? >> i think the debate certainly does. americans watched those debates that may not watch the next two, that saw a mitt romney that was a direct contradiction to the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of attack ads, especially in swing states, that the obama campaign has spent painting mitt romney
FOX News
Oct 5, 2012 7:00pm PDT
? the politicians have been duking it out. >> the most positive part of the jobs report was the tweet by jack welch this morning. he is claiming that the chicago gang had basically -- cooked the books with the job numbers. i don't think that's the case. but i thought it was surprising that jack welch. think before you tweet. >> greta: yes, indeet deed. he is getting a lot of heat for that. >> i think it's a mixed message. the unemployment number is driven by the household survey, which is very volatile. september typically scr is the most volatile month. what i look at is the establishment survey, which is important because that is done with actual business scpoarns they are surveyed on a regular basis in terms of jobs they are creating. and the 114,000 jobs that were created this last month is very anemic, barely enough to keep up with population growth. so you couple the anemic job growth and the reset from gdp and revisited it to 1.2% growth last quarter. the fed is printing mon weqe3 and europe is imploding right now. we are looking at at an environment with a total void of leader help in washi
FOX News
Oct 7, 2012 4:00pm PDT
on twitter from former head of ge, jack welch. >> welch is one of america's most rebe inspected former ceo's. so when he tweets, people tend to listen. within minutes of the jobs report he tweeted quote, unbelievable jobs numbers. this chicago guys will do anything, can't debate so change numbers and facing a torrent of criticism for that. welch stopped by his tweet and those numbers. >> this whole number is made up of a whole mess of an assumptions who is participating and who is not working and who is trying to work, but dropped out. all of these things, it just raises the question, oh, i think there ought to be a good discussion about how this number is calculated. >> and most analysts aren't dismissing his crimsism as utterly without evidence and at the same time pointing out that the jobs numbers reflect an obama policy that has the economy stuck in neutral. >> they had full charge of the first two years and the policies that this president put into place actually made it worse, including the fact that obamacare is actually, you ask small employers, it's causing them not to hire becau
MSNBC
Oct 5, 2012 5:00pm PDT
getting jobs. now here is the grand daddy of all job truthers. former general electric ceo jack welch had fun this morning. he tweeted this. he couldn't believe it. unbelievable job numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers. welch went on fox news and claimed he wasn't making accusations about the administration. he's just raising the question. >> it's just ironic that these assumptions all came this way the month before the election. you draw your own conclusions. >> welch received a different reception when he tried to peddle his theory to my colleague chris matthews on this network. >> i have no evidence to prove that. i just raised the question. >> no you didn't. you said these chicago guys will do anything. >> yeah. >> so they changed the numbers. do you want to take this back? >> no i don't want to take it back. >> there is a serious assertion there was corruption here, infiltration or getting to -- it's not funny, jack. you're talking about the president of the united states playing with the bureau of statistics numbers. this is nixon stu
CNN
Oct 6, 2012 4:00am PDT
of general electric jack welch tweeted this. "unbelievable job numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate, so change numbers." the partisan pushing continues this morning. >> on friday we learned that the unemployment rate is now at a its lowest level since i took office. >> friday's jobs report shows that america still desperately needs jobs. yet the president's central and so sole proposal means fewer jobs. >> finally start doing something to acatually help the middle class get ahead. >> we can't afford four more years like the last four. falling incomes, rising prices, 23 million americans struggling for work. >> congress needs to step up and pass my plan to create a veterans job corps to help our returning heroes find work as firefighters, cops. a few weeks ago republicans in the senate voted that plan down. ask them why someone who fights for this country abroad should have to fight for a job when they come home. >> i understand that the president must campaign. but he also has a job to do. while barack obama enjoys being president, he doesn't seem to enjoy the work req
ABC
Oct 5, 2012 5:30pm PDT
, rush limbaugh and other conservatives said the white house had cooked the books. even jack welch, the former ceo of ge, went on twitter to accuse the president of changing the numbers. >> i tell you, these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. >> reporter: the labor department called the allegations ludicrous. we went directly to the place where it's all done. this vast government building, a couple of miles from the white house, houses the labor department's bureau of labor statistics. the bls has been tabulating the monthly unemployment rate for more than 70 years. it's all based on a survey conducted in person and over the phone of 60,000 households every month. and here is where the numbers get crunched. amid a sea of high-walled cubicles, inside of each one, an economist sworn to secrecy and working on a specific aspect of that employment survey. tom nardone is in charge here. he's worked at bls since before ronald reagan was president. he introduced us to the economist who actually wrote this morning's unemployment rate announcement.
CBS
Oct 5, 2012 5:00pm PDT
electric ceo and mitt romney supporter jack welch went as far as suggesting the obama administration manipulated the report. he tweeted unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. >> reporter: the white house calls welch's insinuation, quote, utter nonsense and most republicans are steering clear of the former ceo's comments including mitt romney. the republican nominee says many of the new jobs are only part time. and that's not what a real recovery looks like. >> even those that have jobs are having tough times. the middle class is being squeezed with higher and higher costs and with incomes that have gone down. >> reporter: the report was good news on wall street but investors remain wary. >> it's all everyone saying here we go everything is turning the corner. it's not! >> reporter: but history says the latest jobs report could play a part in the election. no president has been re- elected with unemployment above 8% since the great depression. tara mergener for cbs news, the white house. >>> one of the hottest fashion brands in
NBC
Oct 5, 2012 5:00pm EDT
more jobs. >> some critics question the better than expected hallstatt thread before the election. jack welch wrote, unbelievable jobs numbers. the chicago guys will do anything. can't debate? exchange members. others say that the data is credible and they stand by their work. >> i think the chance there is any intervention or political pressure is really zero. >> there is only one more jobs report could go, four days before voters cast their ballots. >> why did the unemployment rate dropped so much this month? >> if came down from 8.1 to 7.8. part of the reason is the number of people employed it jumped substantially and the number of jobs created back in july and august are much higher than the government had originally estimated. many of those recent job gains in of the health care and transportation sectors. >> you have to expect this could impact a presidential race. >> absolutely. of candidates responded, we expect them to continue to spend those numbers. no president has been reelected with the unemployment rate collected above 8%. coming under that barrier could improve the reel
CW
Oct 5, 2012 12:00pm CDT
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CW
Oct 5, 2012 9:00pm CDT
were participating in the workforce today our unemployment rate would be around 11%. jack welch doesn't believe the latest unemployment rate is of real and he thinks that the chicago way has something to do with that. he suggests that the numbers have been manipulated for political reasons he said unbelievable job numbers these chicago guys will do anything, cannot debate so change job numbers. mitch romney reverses himself on the 47% comments initially sank his remarks were not elegantly stated but in an interview last night he said if the 4747 percent, up during the debate he would have said he was just completely wrong. we are live at the scene. good evening about three dozen or so bikers in france in a family of new towns and are actually here right now at the location where that tragic accident happened earlier today at the corner of ok and wells near the north side downtown and folks here basically said they are here to remember their friends and loved one and a life that was taken all too soon. those who know him say that nail townsend rode his bike to work almost year-round an
Current
Oct 5, 2012 7:00pm PDT
for jack welch to apologize to those workers -- >> and to the administration. >> >> jennifer: and everybody else. all right. political junkies, up next mitt romney's political compass stopped spinning long enough for him to change course again. the destination, the middle. plus what did swing states think about the debate and what do they think about the jobs reports. and what more could you want on a friday night? >> it's not 100%. ♪ >> jennifer: so today's jobs report may be the positive data point that president obama's reelection campaign needs to hang its hat on, but there is new post debate polling that is not very good news. 20% of registered voters say the debate made them feel more negative towards president obama. 30% say they now have a more positive impression of mitt romney. and a representative for that poll included people who heard or read something about the debate. that same poll has the president leading among likely voters 46 to 44%. but before the debate president obama lead by 6 percentage points, so there is evidence the race is ti
CNN
Oct 6, 2012 5:00am PDT
. you are jack welch. jack, you've got to take this opportunity while everybody is listening to you to actually say, yes, anderson, i'm taking that tweet back. i'm going to send a new tweet to say i was exaggerating. there are problems bls should look into but to throw out an accusation that's like asking the government how often do you beat your wife. >> i should have had a question mark at the back of it, ali, let's face it, but the facts, are ali, no matter how you want to look at this, we had 25 economists polled before this number came out. the average number they expected was about 115,000. not one of them -- >> yes. >> had a number below 1.1. >> labor secretary hilda so li s shot back at the critics telling cnn it was insulting for people to suggest her department was manipulating numbers for the president's benefit. >>> the obama and romney campaigns are ratcheting up the rhetoric in the wake of the jobs report. our political editor paul steinhauser hats candidate's comments. one set of numbers, two sets of eyes. >> yeah, very, very different responses to the friday jobs rep
FOX News
Oct 5, 2012 10:00am PDT
not trust that number. :lou: what you do not want to do is pull a jack welch. he decided that this was a conspiracy of the chicago political thugs that run the country. megyn: unbelievable jobs numbers, these chicago guys will do anything. by the way, we have jack welch to explain that later on. :lou: that's exactly what you don't want to do. these numbers over the course of time, you should always be skeptical of those numbers. we should always be skeptical of anything government does. economic reporting is an inexact art and not always in science be one can i just ask your question? :lou: yes. megyn: unemployment is still very high. how are the american people doing? :lou: a sophisticated number, if you will, buried within the labor of statistics is the broadest measure of unemployment that is in the workforce, discouraged workers. that remains where it was last month, 14.9%. it is a sign that we are absolutely stuck where we have been. and that is a sincere shame. that means 23 million people remain in great pain and they are suffering as a result of an economy that is
FOX News
Oct 7, 2012 1:00pm PDT
. doug we talked about a tweet from jack welch. did that ignite the controversy? >>reporter: the recovery surrounding friday's release of the unemployment numbers continues to swirl after jack welch, the respected former c.e.o. of g.e. treated "unbelievable jobs numbers. the chicago guys will do anything. can't debate? change numbers." facing criticism if the tweet he stuck by the criticism of the numbers. >> this number is made up of a whole mess of assumptions: who is participating, who is not working, who is trying for work, who has dropped out. it just begs the question. i think there ought to be a good discussion how this number is calculated. >>reporter: most analysts and the obama campaign are dismanage the criticisms as "without evidence." >> we wonder why institutions in this country are, the perception of institutions are failing, because people go on tv and make sufficient h stuff -- make stuff up. >> they had full charge of the first two years and the policies this president put into place actually made it worse, including the fact that obamacare is tale, if you ask employers,
CNN
Oct 6, 2012 9:00am PDT
depression. jack welch tweeted this, unbelievable jobs numbers, these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate so change the numbers. and the partisan pushing continues this morning. >> on friday we learned that the unemployment rate is now at its lowest level since i took office. >> friday's jobs report shows america still desperately needs jobs. yet the president's central and sole proposal would mean fewer jobs. >> republicans in congress need to stop trying to relaxing fight the battles of the past few years and finally start doing something to actually help the middle class get ahead. >> we can't afford four more years like the last fr. prices, 23 million americans struggling for work. >> congress needs to step up and pass my plan to create a veterans job corps to help our returning heroes find work as cops, firefighters and park rangers in communities across the country. a few weeks ago republicans in the senate voted that plan down. ask them why someone who fights for this country abroad should fight for a job when they come home. >> understand that the president must campaign,
FOX Business
Oct 5, 2012 5:00pm EDT
employment surged 873,000, but payroll says only 114,000 people went back to work. even jack welch said it, hard to reconcile these numbers. he tweeted, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers. that is harsh criticism. here with me is economist peter morici. which also have gary burtless, senior fellow? [no audio. what do you think. what a difference between the two surveys. peter, start with you. >> the bls is not cooking the numbers. i believe that. they don't do such a thing. there a anomalies. household survey counts self-employed people. a lot of people established home based business. they have been dissipating savings. that doesn't mean they're fully employed. to have 800,000 jobs created that would be 6% gain in employment in one month. that would be 135% rate per year, or some big number like that. that's crazy. on a compounded basis in economy growing only 1 1/2% a year. that's just silly. my feeling it is a lot of folks, home based businesses. pick up a little more here and there but they're not really fully employe
FOX Business
Oct 5, 2012 6:00pm EDT
in the an employment rate on just 114,000 jobs growth in the month surprising to jack welch, former ceo of ge. here is what he said. >> well, and the last two months we have gone from 83-81. now we are going to 7.8% by changing the numbers assumptions. like. i don't know if -- what the right number is. i tell you, these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. gerri: gary, to you first. is the bls giving as ps? >> it is the bs. look. three months ago i said that even if we got newt we would be under 8% because the politics of it. we saw 30 days ago the fed announced a open ended printing of money to get asset prices up, and they say 50 days before election, this one is a joke. if you noticed anything about this number, the estimates of job gains came in the exact amount it was supposed to which should have kept it at 8.2%. the estimates, somehow we got to 7.8%, and the use the most of tiles survey, the household survey. gerri: we will get to that. >> 400,000. gerri: can these numbers be sai's? >> i don't think they can. we have had rumors of bls massaging numbe
FOX News
Oct 5, 2012 2:00pm PDT
going on and on and let me just tell you jack welch comes out today and twittering, these are bogus numbers, made up numbers. this is just so political. >> okay. >> and then, more evidence that people don't want to believe reality and by the way, let me just tell you something. >> where-- >> juan-- hold on. >> the economy has been going on and on. and added jobs now for 30 straight months that's a trajectory. >> juan, is there any question in your mind that the department of labor, the national labor relations board partisan and ideological-- >> partisan-- >> no, they're not partisan and nobody who is in the business has ever said these are partisan people. these numbers would be coming out, let me ask you that, if it was so political why did these conspiracy-minded people wait till now, better if they did it several months ago. >> if the unemployment number is so important to jobs, to various campaigns, isn't it smart to have obama donors in as economists in the department of labor statistics? >> and let me tell you, there's no law against giving money. these are not major-- you're
FOX News
Oct 5, 2012 3:00pm PDT
-time or from their homes. some called it an anomaly and former ceo jack welch says these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate so change numbers. >> and who is participating, who's not working and who's tried to work, but dropped out. all of these things. it just raises the question, and i think there ought to be a good discussion how this number is calculated. >> labor secretary hilda so least angrily denied the unemployment figure was fudged calling the allegation offensive and republican challenger mitt romney said of the jobs number, this is not what a real recovery looks like. and romney was also campaigning in virginia, running mate paul ryan said of the number of jobs created said we shouldn't have to settle for this new normal. reprizing one of the convention themes that americans deserve better than mr. obama has delivered. critics seized on another line in mr. obama's virginia speech in which he denied believing in an entitlement society which he doesn't believe people are entitled to succeed. aides suggest the opposite. >> we don't believe that anybody is ensilenttitled to su
ABC
Oct 6, 2012 4:00am PDT
, especially from somebody as prominent as jack welch. what does it say about partisanship in the country? >> it says that it starts to rot people's brains. the theory is just -- we need a good name for this. i nominate job nutters. but this really is ridiculous. this is -- first things first, this is good news for the country. and, yes, it benefits the president because it adds to argument. it takes away the argument that unemployment rate's been over 8%. it's a positive sign for the country. and frankly, it gives the president a boost in the wake of a terrible debate performance. but bottom line, it's a sign that the trend is moving away from the debt sweep we've dealt with. >> let me pick up on that. some democrats are saying what debate? how much of a boost does it really give the president, given the lackluster nature of his performance the other night? >> it doesn't give the president a do-over. he had a lousily first debate. that hurts. it's not determinative. the economy's issue number one. this is a boost. it helps change the topic. but it doesn't erase that first debate. the pre
KICU
Oct 5, 2012 11:30pm PDT
raised by prominent romney backer ge executive jack welch put the challenger in a tough spot. >> if he agrees with it, where's the evidence? and if he disagrees with it, once of his principle supporters is problematic. >> set to release one more job's report four days before the november election. ktvu channel 2 news. >> more details now. the rate dropped from 8.1% because the number of people who got jobs soared. biggest monthly jump since 2003. 86,000 more jobs were added in july and august. >>> tonight at 10:30 what we found when we asked people about the economy and whether they've seen an improvement. >> on wall street the new jobs report did little to move the stock numbers. the debt crisis in europe or spain or greece are facing challenges continued to loom over investigators today. the dow was up 34 points. >>> filed plans for a $100 million initial public offering. the wireless network equipment maker has not said how many shares it plans to sell. the company's revenue nearly doubled to $93.9 million in the first half of this year. >>> stock closed today near lowest level ever
KOFY
Oct 5, 2012 9:00pm PDT
announced limbaugh and other conservative said the white house had cooked the book. even jack welch the former ceo of ge accused the president of change the numbers on twitter. >> i tell you these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. >>reporter: labor department called the allegations ludicrous. we went directly to the place where it's all done. this vast government building couple miles from the white house houses labor department bureau of labor statistics. bls has been tabulang the monthlunemployment rate for re tn years. al based on survey conducted in person over the phone of 60,000 households every month. here is where the numbers get crunched. amid the sea of high wall cubicle inside each one economist sworn to secrecy and working on specific aspect of employment survey. >>reporter: tom is in charge here. he's worked at b almost s since the reagan was president. he introduced us to the economist who actually wrote this morning unemployment rate announcement. how much of a secret is that number before you put it out? you can
KRON
Oct 5, 2012 5:00pm PDT
have just up looking for work. romney was not the only person trying to downsize it. former ge ceo jack welch stated that it was unbelievable. he stated that these chicago guys will do everything even changed the numbers. as for the president he used the good news and all of his campaign stops today. >> today's news should give us some encouragement. it should not be an excuse for the other side to talk down the economy. they should not be tried to adjust for political points. good news but not big a deal one way or another. it just indicates that we are moving in the right direction but very slow. the next debate will be october the 16th in new york. joe biden will have his debate on october the 11th. >> we are getting new detail about president obama as next trip to the ss 0. he will be attending a fund- raiser. this will be on monday october the eighth period music musician john legend will be heading this scene. the tickets are a hundred bucks or about 75 bucks. this show will be from 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.. >> in international news the deadly meningitis. there stating that pain sho
NBC
Oct 6, 2012 9:00am EDT
conservatives accuse the obama administration of doctoring the jobs numbers. jack welch wrote, unbelievable job numbers. the chicago guys will do anything, can't debate? they'll change the numbers. >> it's lead yous to hear that statement. >> the secretary of labor denies any political motivation, saying the numbers are real. so while romney launches tv ads promising to do better than president obama. >> i have a detailed floon create 12 million new jobs. >> obama is celebrating this report. >> this country has come to far. >> a bench mark proves america is on the right track. >> economists say the number of new jobs being created is still not enough to significantly lower the unemployment rate. the next jobs report comes out four days before the election. danielle lee. >> 66 degrees at the airport. dining out can be tough on a budget. baltimore magazine has a list of the top 25 places to get a meal for under $40. if pumpkin spice latte your thing during the fall? could be out of luck. details on a possible pumpkin shortage after the break. >>> cold front's coming in. could generate a little ra
NBC
Oct 5, 2012 4:00pm EDT
conservatives accuse the obama administration of doctoring the jobs numbers. former general electric ceo jack welch wrote "unbelievable job numbers. the chicago guys will do anything. can't debate, so change the numbers." >> it's really ludicrous to hear that kind of statement. >> reporter: secretary of labor denies any political motivation saying the numbers are real. so, while romney launches tv ads promising to do better than president obama -- >> i have a detailed plan to create 12 million new jobs. >> reporter: obama is celebrating this report. >> this country has come too far to turn back now. >> reporter: a benchmark, he says, proves america is on the right track. economists say the number of new jobs being created is still not enough to significantly lower the unemploit rate. the next jobs report comes out just four days before the election. reporting live on capitol hill, i'm danielle lee, news 4. >>> health officials across the country are bracing for more cases of infection from that fungal meningitis outbreak. today the virginia department of health says about 630 people received
NBC
Oct 5, 2012 6:00pm EDT
conservatives accuse the obama administration of doctoring the jobs number. former general electric ceo jack welch wrote "unbelievable job numbers. the chicago guys will do anything. can't debate, so change the numbers. >> it's ludicrous to hear that kind of statement. >> reporter: secretary of labor denies any political motivations a saying the numbers are real. while romney launches tv ad as promising to do better than president obama. >> i have a detailed plan to create 12 million new jobs. >> reporter: obama is celebrating this report. >> this country has come too far to turn back now. >> reporter: a benchmark, he says, proves america is on the right track. economists say the number of new jobs being created is not enough to significantly lower the unemployment rate. the next jobs report comes out in four days before the election. reporting live on capitol hill, i'm danielle lee, news 4. >> our team coverage of the presidential election takes us to opposite cornerses of virginia. while governor romney was in coal country in abington, president obama was in fairfax. the president talked a
CNBC
Oct 5, 2012 6:00pm EDT
is getting better. think of it. you know who says it's not getting better? jack welch. he'll tell me why in a moment. despite the rally since 2009, investors have yanked hundreds of billions of dollars out of the market. is there a lost generation of investors? can they come back in.
CNN
Oct 5, 2012 6:00am PDT
fell to below 8%? also jack welch, the former ge guy. >> yep. >> he's tweeting this morning and saying, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate, so change numbers. i mean -- so is it possible the labor department is lying or has changed these numbers in some way? >> look, these numbers are often revised. usually when you have a vibrant growing jobs market a revision of 86,000 doesn't make any difference at all. you have much more jobs being created. we don't have that right now. in terms of why the two numbers are different, there are two different surveys the government does. hou household survey where they ask people wheer they're employed and a company survey where they ask companies how many people are employed. those are two different numbers. so that's why you have the number of jobs created or lost and the jobless rate. that's the technical data gathering reason. as for -- look, you'll hear conservatives say either they don't trust these numbers or they're going to say, look, 114,000 is the important number to look at here. that's not good en
MSNBC
Oct 6, 2012 7:00am PDT
. i just wanted to show what jack welch's response was, it was a tweeted response that got picked up in the news where he basically said that the u.s. bureau of labor statistics apparently in conjunction with the chicago machine, right, the chicago guys will do anything. you can't debate, so you change the numbers. that's the idea, that that's what happened here, that these numbers aren't real. >> i was astonished when i first heard that, considering he used to be the head of this whole network and everyone -- >> shhh. >> that's amazing. the other thing is, that these jobs numbers, they destroy their big talking point of the republicans over the last eight, nine months that unemployment has not been below 8%. it's also falling into another one of their talking olympians, that hispanic unemployment is above 10%. now it's below, 9.8%. >> this was not good 7.8 but all of the subcategories were falling. >> in contrast to what mitt romney was saying on the clip, where people have left the job market, that is so not true. there are 418,000 people who have entered the job market. you can't
MSNBC
Oct 5, 2012 3:00am PDT
are historically low. there is an uptick of 0.1%. these numbers don't add up. you said jack welch who has been called by many the ceo of the past quarter century, a guy we know very well. jack welch has an opinion on this. >> he has a tweet being widely retweeted. i read from jack's certified twitter account. unbelievable job numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. >> okay. >> that's quite a charge. >> by jack and mark barnicle, we know jack. he's nonpartisan. >> not going there. he said that with a wink, right? >> i don't know. >> jack? >> let me tell you something seriously. these numbers don't add up. they just don't. again, i've got no dog in the fight here as far as the numbers go. >> you want them to be good. >> we all want them to be good. my dad was unemployed. i always, you know, conservatives always get angry at me when i cheer good economic news. but mike these numbers don't add up. it doesn't make sense it would drop to 7.8% with a weak participation rate and anemic number of jobs added. >> look, i am totally unqualified to weave my way through
CNN
Oct 5, 2012 9:00pm PDT
, and some republicans, jack welch and others, have questioned them quite openly which most people find a little bit too far even by political gun slinging standards because these figures are widely accepted as being accurate. >> especially when they have to adjust them down, right, in the aftermath of earlier reports. >> also, assume the republicans were to win in november, they would be saying these figures are accurate when they come out under their watch. i think we should part that to one side. 7.8% is crucially under 8%. so whether barack obama wants to make too much of a big deal of this or not, the reality is it's removed one of the big sticks the republicans were beating him over the head about, which is hey, look, it's still over 8%. not anymore. >> right. as the president said today, we're moving in the right direction. we're not there yet but in the last year, we've seen that unemployment rate drop 1.2%. we haven't seen a drop like that in nearly 20 years. so that's good news. i think what it reflects is it's consistent with what we've seen in other polls recently that show
FOX News
Oct 5, 2012 4:00pm PDT
with the same message vote early. harris? >> harris: well, wendell, i know earlier former g.e. chairman jack welch was accusing the administration of cooking the books. he says he has no evidence of that but here is what he told fox news channel earlier. >> look, i don't know what the right number is, but i will tell you these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. >> harris: that's what he had to say. what about the white house? what's the response? >> the white house has no input in the jobless numbers. in fact, they didn't get the figures early. the labor department people who conduct the surveys are professionals, not political appointees. secretary says she is offended that people would suggest her department would fudge the figures. >> you know, i'm insulted when i hear that because we have a very professional, civil service organization where you have top, stop economists that work at the bls. they have been doing these calculations. >> she says it really shouldn't be surprising that after strong upward revisions of the job creation in july and
FOX News
Oct 5, 2012 8:00pm PDT
are cooked, fixed. doesn't what's his name, the former ceo of g.e. -- >> jack welch! he said, the guys from chicago can't debate so they are cooking the books. >> do you take that seriously? >> no. but he gave us a good laugh because apparently, he was serious. >> he believes -- >> i think -- >> he believes that they are bogus numbers. >> it's when he said. it's the kind of nonsense eye mean, the last thing -- anyone should be looking at in these numbers is somebody cooking the books. what is really at work here, there are two survey, one of 50,000, they survey the businesses and they survey the households. the establishment survey as it's called of businesses and government is about 150,000. and the survey of households is about 50,000. so there is a lots of volatility. there are people saying, this hasn't happened in 30 years -- nonsense. e >> in your opinion, there are more jobs being added. but most of these jobs are part-time jobs itch they are part-timions, people who have been pushed from full time into part time. they're younger, less educated and unskilled so they for lower payin
FOX News
Oct 6, 2012 3:00am PDT
numbers so wrong. jack welch went further obviously the former ceo of g.e. and he said unbelievable jobs numbers. the these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers. set person who suggested something fishy was going on. >> and of course our own lou dobbs has said no the bureau of labor statistics is insulated entity and peter morris is i on our show a short time ago said no, this isn't the case that they would never cook the books for a white house. that's not something they would do. they are economists and statisticians and there might be anomaly in the numbers. here was jack welch yesterday talking to cavuto and he said something smells funny here, listen. >> these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. every economist this morning predicted roughly 90 to 120,000 and 8.2 unemployment came out very favorably just one tenth of a point below when the president took office. >> well, it's funny when people manipulate numbers back and forth on both sides. i always think about the 23 million people who don't have a job an
MSNBC
Oct 5, 2012 7:00am PDT
is important after these jobs numbers came out, jack welch tweeted, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change the numbers. they are saying, rana, that these numbers were manipulated. >> that's nonsense. come on. >> if they were manipulated he would have boosted the manufacturing numbers. they were still down. these were mostly gains in health and education. i'm hopeful actually that the ticking down of the unemployment figure will make it a little easier to come to the kind of grand bargain we're going to need to come to after the election. as carl said, whoever is president will have to lay out a long, hard slog ahead and we need math that works. that means probably raising taxes or at least cutting some loopholes and making the tax code simpler, raising revenue, making some investments but maybe curbing entitlements. >> i want to bring in ralph nader, three-time presidential candidate and author of the new book called "the 17 solutions." always good to have you on the program. thanks for being here. mitt romney is painting himself as a defender
MSNBC
Oct 5, 2012 9:00am PDT
numbers. former chairman and ceo of ge jack welch tweeted -- welch was backed in his theorizing by master of the outlandish alan west who wrote -- this is orwellian to say the least and representative of saul au lin ski tactics from the book rules for radicals" a must read for all who want to know how the left strategize. what's that you say, a strengthening work force and recovering economy or wellien indeed. >> they want to slow the economy before the election and if you don't believe that -- >> that was a year and a half ago. >> i have a bridge i want to sell you in oakland. that's what the republicans and obstructionists in congress is about. >> joining us is cnbc's amman jabbers. you're the man with the answers. mitt romney is walking on stage and we'll have to go to him shortly but is it a good day for the american economy or not, tell us? >> it's definitely a good day. the auto sales number was good, consumer confidence up, but we had truthers, birthers and now we've got jobbers, these people who don't believe the government data here and to those people i would quote carl sagan an
MSNBC
Oct 5, 2012 12:00pm PDT
are cooked. i want to put a couple tweets on the screen from earlier today. jack welch said unbelievable job numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. let's get the second one up. the second theory proposed is from a conservative righter. i don't think bls cooked the numbers. i think a bunch of dems lied about getting job. that has the same effect. quickly, make your point. it's depressing to ask this question, but how can we be confident because the numbers are legit? >> you have to know something about the bureau of labor statistics. this is an institution with incredible statistical integrity in how they collect, analyze and report the data. this is an absolutely ludicrous claim. we shouldn't give it any oxygen. in fact, half the people who are saying they don't believe the numbers then start citing bls numbers to show other point they want to make. this agency has been reporting these data for decades. the security that goes around. i've been writing about this on my blog today to see the details about how they make sure there's no political bias in he
NBC
Oct 6, 2012 6:00am EDT
numbers came out, former ge ceo jack welch said the government tweaked the numbers on purpose to help the president. the unemployment rate dropped to 7.8% from 8.1% but officials from the bureau of labor statistics say the numbers are almost impossible to manipulate. general electric is the minority shareholder of nbc. >>> a nail polish company with facilities in maryland is set to layoff more than 100 people at the end of the year. the company owned by revlon is closing its beltsville facility. >>> d.c. mayor vincent gray says he is not worried about the 2014 mayoral election focusing instead on his current term. he dismissed a tweet yesterday that said he wouldn't run next election. he is currently under investigation for election fraud but no charges have been filed. gray appeared agitated when asked about the tweet and if he would run in 2014. >> is this based on somebody's opinion that was quoted today in a story? >> reporter: yes apparently. >> i don't know where they get their opinion from. >> i don't know either. >> reporter: are you going to run again? >> that isn't even an i
PBS
Oct 6, 2012 12:00am PDT
questioned the accuracy of the data. on twitter, former general electric c.e.o. jack welch suggested the obama administration manipulated the numbers. but on cnbc, labor secretary hilda solis called that claim "ludicrous" and defended the bureau of labor statistics. >> you know, i'm insulted when i hear that, because we have a very professional civil service organization where you have top, top economists that work at the b.l.s. >> brown: the employment numbers landed as the campaigns put up new ads attacking each other on jobs and taxes. >> president obama says he's creating jobs. but he's really creating debt. the facts are clear. obama's four deficits are the four largest in u.s. history. he's adding almost as much debt as all 43 previous presidents combined. and over 30 cents of every dollar obama spends is borrowed, much of it from countries like china. he's not just wasting money; he's borrowing it and then wasting it. we can't afford four more years. >> why won't romney level with us about his tax plan, which gives the wealthy huge new tax breaks? because, according to experts
MSNBC
Oct 6, 2012 5:00am PDT
the books in the bureau of labor statistics. jack welch tweeted, former cege, who kno -- ceo of ge, he says this is unbelievable. they're messing with the numbers. steve forbes, former gop presidential candidate, berkeley man himself, retweeted it and said, jack is right. and then there was this entire universe. i joked about it. you're out of your mind if you don't think these numbers were cooked. yesterday jack welch went on my colleague "chris matthews show" and this is what transpired. >> you put out the word here, unbelievable jobs numbers, fair enough. these chicago guys will do anything so they change the numbers. what evidence do you have that they got to the bos? the chicago guys got to the bureau of labor statistics and jimmied these numbers by .3%. >> i have no evidence, i just raised the question. >> you came out and asserted not a question mark or talked about a coincidence, you said these chicago guys will do anything so they change the numbers. do you want to take that back? jimmying with these numbers. there was corruption here, infiltration, getting to the -- it's not funny
CNBC
Oct 5, 2012 6:00am EDT
the guest host, squawk market taylor, jack welch tweeted that maybe this number's been played with. >> those chicago guys will do anything. >> by the way, don't miss "squawk box" on monday and we'll be talking with carly fiorina former chairman and ceo of hp. >>> final thoughts from our guest host john taylor of fs concepts. we were just talking about this tweet from jack welch. he tweeted, unbelievable numbers. the chicago guys will do everything. can't debate the numbers. it is lighting up the tweet sphere. >> there was a huge 873,000 increase in the household survey exceeding the 418 in the labor force. a lot of these numbers, is there wiggle room? there's assumptions, right? >> there's a lot of wiggle room. they're calling up people on the phone. who knows who answers the phone? nowadays you have cell phones and you're not going to answer the phone at home. my phone won't be answered because you'll say that's some weird person polling me. >> although some would say how come it goes and not above. that is volatile. >> because of that, don't trust the number like that. steve had the right
CNN
Oct 5, 2012 9:00am PDT
. >> christy, some of the attacks from conservatives, such as jack welch, saying they don't believe the numbers. they believe the books are cooked essentially. explain the process of how we reach these numbers today? >> there's spin, and then there are conspiracy theories, and the spin, which is valid, if spin can be valid, is that, you know, look, you still have only 114,000 jobs created on balance. anha's -- you know, you th ty pu together. right? one of them is a survey of people at home where you call anthpele s yes or no and explain how. the other is a survey of employers where they ask are you hiring? that's where the 114,000 number comes om114,000 number might not catch everyone who is working part-time from home or just working part-time or doing some kinds of contract work, so that's why sometimes thercran bwe no, they're noin t bt of bls cooking the books for some political reason. i would bring this one point, suzanne, if they were, wouldn't they have done that after the president gave his speech in charlotte? instead he gave a speech in charlotte, and it was a bad report the next d
CSPAN
Oct 6, 2012 7:00am EDT
. this is "the washington post" -- this comes from the story you probably heard about jack welch yesterday. there is the math and statistics. we want to get your reaction. tell us your job status as well as it currently stands. the phone numbers will be on your screen. you can also reach out via social media. can i ask your job status? caller: right now i am disabled. host: how long is that? . caller: one year. host: tell us a little bit about your current situation and your reaction to 7.8% unemployment figure. caller: i have three torn ligaments in my shoulder. host: are you getting disability. disability caller: yes. . host: what type of work do you do? are you pursuing some kind of work that does not require physical labor? caller: i am going to school. . host: for what? . caller: a want to be a technician. host: what type of technician? caller: a mechanic. host: quaker town, pennsylvania, good morning. caller: glad to get through again. this has to do, when you talk about work or work ethic, today is the day that we set aside -- i called last year and talked to susan on october 6 last
FOX News
Oct 5, 2012 6:00am PDT
that there is further proof that the economy continues to heal. others not so sure. jack welch tweeted this moments ago. unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate so change numbers end quote. martha: hilda so liz says that that notion is lewd today rust. joined by chris wallace anchor of fox news sunday . good morning, chris. >> good to be with you. martha: what do you make about the backlash for this 7.8 number? >> it's understandable, because it's good news for president obama at a time when he very much needed it. the fact is that he had a bad debate, that his campaign was raoeulgs a reeling, is an overstatement but hit a serious pothole. and the talking point, which is that the unemployment rate under this president has been over 8% for 48 months, they can't say that any more. and obviously some romney supporters aren't happy about that. martha: whenever you look at the economic numbers i always wonder. obviously as you point out the president's detractors will try to mine mice the number and the president will build it up. it's down to everyone's individual econo
CSPAN
Oct 5, 2012 9:00am EDT
that were made by jack welch. here is a tweet on that -- host: he is referring to comments made on twitter earlier today by jack welch, who said clear this morning that the unbelievable jobs numbers -- of those chicago guys will do anything, the cannot debate so the change the numbers. that is from jack welch, the former head of general electric. that was on his twitter feed from earlier today. that is reported on a bloomberg and elsewhere. we're waiting for mitt romney who has a rally said in abingdon, virginia. we will take you there when it gets under way. the president making his way to cleveland state university for a rally there this afternoon. we will have that live at 2:30 eastern. that will be live at c-span.org. what you think about the jobs number and the presidential race? caller: it is good, a big deal. the guy from tennessee, he does not know what he is talking about. right now, we have to come together. this is big news. not republican, not a democrat. this is for everybody. i do not understand why they talk obama this, obama that. this is good news for everybody. host: are
FOX News
Oct 6, 2012 1:00pm PDT
and significant decrease in the unemployment rate. jack welch, he went to as far to suggest that the numbers may be manipulated by the obama administration. do you think that the numbers add up? >> i think the suggestion that the numbers was cooked is relatively ridiculous. that being said. economists at the labor department will admit freely that there is a lot of margin of error in these numbers. a month after each job report these numbers are revised upward or downward. the question of the number came out of the household survey, 800,000 plus number, there is a lot of margin for error, possibly as much as 400,000. that is admitted by folks within the labor department, as well. i think you can't get too hung up on the overall numbers because typically these are revised upward or downward. that tends to happen a month later when we stop paying attention. >> heather: what will the numbers do in terms of swaying voters' opinions, specifically undecided voter? do you expect to see a change in the polls as a result of this? >> it's a tough question. i generally think the jobs reports do not move as
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